Comments on: The Horror…The Horror http://www.thissavageart.com/2007/06/20/the-horrorthe-horror/#utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-horrorthe-horror a steady diet of obsessive cinema and screenwriting in the dark Fri, 09 Sep 2011 01:46:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Chris Daniel http://www.thissavageart.com/2007/06/20/the-horrorthe-horror/comment-page-1/#comment-1028 Chris Daniel Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:25:27 +0000 http://www.thissavageart.com/2007/06/20/the-horrorthe-horror/#comment-1028 William, that's why I said I admired your thoughts. I think it is a great point to make. In the end I think it is for all, audience and director, to decide what is succesful. I appreciate the debate. William, that’s why I said I admired your thoughts. I think it is a great point to make. In the end I think it is for all, audience and director, to decide what is succesful.

I appreciate the debate.

]]> By: William Speruzzi http://www.thissavageart.com/2007/06/20/the-horrorthe-horror/comment-page-1/#comment-1027 William Speruzzi Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:08:27 +0000 http://www.thissavageart.com/2007/06/20/the-horrorthe-horror/#comment-1027 <p><p>Chris -- you are absolutely entitled to your opinion but I stand by my entry. Especially my summation at the end which clearly points to my overall feelings about <i>Apocalypse Now</i>. I was playing a game of devil's advocate and expected this sort of response but was hoping for a different one. </p><br /> <p>I would rather debate who gets to determine the ultimate fate of a film (critics, filmmakers, audience). Is it as simple as just writing a film off because it didn't do well at the box office? How do you define it? If, after all this time has passed, Coppola felt that the film was a failure in the end, is it? If the creator is not endorsing the film but generations of audience members are, who is to say? </p><br /> <p>Just looking to spark some debate....</p></p> <p>Chris — you are absolutely entitled to your opinion but I stand by my entry. Especially my summation at the end which clearly points to my overall feelings about <i>Apocalypse Now</i>. I was playing a game of devil’s advocate and expected this sort of response but was hoping for a different one. </p>
<p>I would rather debate who gets to determine the ultimate fate of a film (critics, filmmakers, audience). Is it as simple as just writing a film off because it didn’t do well at the box office? How do you define it? If, after all this time has passed, Coppola felt that the film was a failure in the end, is it? If the creator is not endorsing the film but generations of audience members are, who is to say? </p>
<p>Just looking to spark some debate….</p>

]]> By: Chris Daniel http://www.thissavageart.com/2007/06/20/the-horrorthe-horror/comment-page-1/#comment-1026 Chris Daniel Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:43:05 +0000 http://www.thissavageart.com/2007/06/20/the-horrorthe-horror/#comment-1026 I admire the thoughts you have and think it is a brave choice. But I have to disagree. I think that because the shoot was so disasterous, it is a huge success that a film of this quality came out of it. Not only do you feel the horror of the Vietnam War but you feel the horror of the whole production. Moving an audience is the point of film and Apocalype succeeds more than most could ever hope to, for the same reasons that one may see as failures. I admire the thoughts you have and think it is a brave choice. But I have to disagree.

I think that because the shoot was so disasterous, it is a huge success that a film of this quality came out of it. Not only do you feel the horror of the Vietnam War but you feel the horror of the whole production.

Moving an audience is the point of film and Apocalype succeeds more than most could ever hope to, for the same reasons that one may see as failures.

]]> By: William Speruzzi http://www.thissavageart.com/2007/06/20/the-horrorthe-horror/comment-page-1/#comment-1022 William Speruzzi Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:50:20 +0000 http://www.thissavageart.com/2007/06/20/the-horrorthe-horror/#comment-1022 Edward -- Branding a film whose scope is ambitious a failure can be arbitrary even misguided at times. Sometimes the criticism is right on but other times a mob rules mentality exist. Another current example that I mentioned is <i>The Fountain</i>. There was a film that was very ambitious but didn't work for everyone. Hopefully time will be good to the film because I believe it deserves a second look. Some films can recover from that but most can't. History has been good to <i>Apocalypse Now</i>. Yes, I admit I went the long way around to make the point but I thought that by using such a universally accepted (after it was scrutinized) film it would make my point of how hindsight can work in a film's favor. This was my thought going into the post. Edward — Branding a film whose scope is ambitious a failure can be arbitrary even misguided at times. Sometimes the criticism is right on but other times a mob rules mentality exist. Another current example that I mentioned is The Fountain. There was a film that was very ambitious but didn’t work for everyone. Hopefully time will be good to the film because I believe it deserves a second look.

Some films can recover from that but most can’t. History has been good to Apocalypse Now.

Yes, I admit I went the long way around to make the point but I thought that by using such a universally accepted (after it was scrutinized) film it would make my point of how hindsight can work in a film’s favor. This was my thought going into the post.

]]> By: Edward Copeland http://www.thissavageart.com/2007/06/20/the-horrorthe-horror/comment-page-1/#comment-1021 Edward Copeland Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:31:56 +0000 http://www.thissavageart.com/2007/06/20/the-horrorthe-horror/#comment-1021 I wouldn't call Apocalypse Now a failure, even if Coppola doesn't pull off what he was trying to do. What's fascinating to me is that I think the documentary Hearts of Darkness about the making of Apocalypse Now is actually a better movie than the film itself. I wouldn’t call Apocalypse Now a failure, even if Coppola doesn’t pull off what he was trying to do. What’s fascinating to me is that I think the documentary Hearts of Darkness about the making of Apocalypse Now is actually a better movie than the film itself.

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